Trina FelberMy guest today is Trina Felber, RN, BSN, MSN, CRNA. She’s the CEO of Primal Life Organics, which takes the Paleo world beyond the diet and applies it to the food for the skin. Trina is committed to providing nutrient dense, 100% Paleo Skin-Food that is made from fresh, organic ingredients. We’ll be talking about Paleo principles, Trina’s products and other natural things to do to support skin health. Trina has been a Registered Nurse since 1992. In 2008, pregnancy shed a new light on topical skincare and the harmful effects of chemicals and toxins. With a background in science, a profound knowledge of tissue absorption of chemical compounds and the comprehension that all things are absorbed thru the skin and become one with our being and produce result- desired and undesired- Trina found her true passion. After searching numerous product databases, finding very few “chemically clean” natural products, she decided to make her own body care products. Trina uses earthen ingredients like oils, essential oils, clays, herbs, spices and food to make phenomenally effective products that are safe, natural, and non-toxic with absolutely no unpronounceable ingredients, preservatives or industrial derivatives. Trina made her skincare to improve her health. She made Primal Life Organics so you can improve your health. Trina continues to work as a Certified Registered Nurse Anesthetist, as well as Paleo Advocate, Educator and Skincare Expert. Enter “toxic free” at checker for 20% off your entire purchase thru September 30th. www.PrimalLifeOrganics.com | www.cavegirlskincare.com

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TOXIC FREE TALK RADIO
Paleo Skin Care

Host: Debra Lynn Dadd
Guest: Trina Felber, RN, BSN, MSN, CRNA

Date of Broadcast: September 11, 2014

DEBRA: Hi, this is Debra Lynn Dadd, and this is Toxic Free Talk Radio, where we talk about how to thrive in a toxic world and live toxic free. It’s Thursday, September 11th, and I’m here in Clearwater, Florida, where the sun is shining, and it’s nice and warm.

Today, we’re going to be talking about paleo, but not the paleo diet. We’re going to be talking about paleo food for your skin.

My guest today is Trina Felber, RN, BSN, MSN and CRNA. I’m going to ask her what all those letters are. She’s the CEO of Primal Life Organics, which takes the paleo world beyond diet and applies it to food for the skin.

Trina is committed to providing nutrient-dense, 100% paleo skin food that’s made from fresh organic ingredients. And she even makes these products to order, when you put your order in. It’s that fresh.

Hi, Trina.

TRINA FELBER: Hi, Debra. Thank you for the great intro.

DEBRA: You’re welcome. So tell us about these RN, BSN, MSN and CRNA.

TRINA FELBER: That’s my schooling. I started my career, over 20 years ago, in nursing. So I received my RN 22 or 23 years ago, and then I went back and got my BSN, and I received my masters and went on to study anesthesia. So right now, I’m a certified registered nurse anesthetist. I still practice although I don’t practice as often as I used to because I’m too busy making food for skin.

DEBRA: Isn’t that great? So tell us how you became interested in doing what you’re doing because you have a unique idea.

TRINA FELBER: Yes, I do. Hindsight is 20/20, and if you asked me two years ago how I got into it, I would tell you the story about two years ago. But looking back, my story starts 20-some years ago when I was started in my nursing career because my very first love in nursing was the burn center, where basically, your skin is your protection, and when you lose that to a chemical force, your entire livelihood is threatened.

When I worked in the burn center, I really learned about the skin, and what I really learned and how I got dedicated to the skin was I saw the damage that it could do to the body inside, not just the outside. Your skin is your largest organ and it’s your first line of defense. And I was really intrigued by the fact that all of your organs relied upon your skin. And when your skin was damaged, everything else was threatened as well.

But I also learned that the skin can regenerate, as well as the organs. So it was a good thing to know that you can damage it, but through proper nutrition and proper products and skin care and all sorts of practices that the skin, as well as the organs will heal themselves.

So that’s where my story really began, and then through education, I received my masters and I’ve studied anesthesia. So during my studies of anesthesia, I really got to understand the physiology of the body, and how the body works, and how drugs and chemicals affect the body, how they’re brought into the body, how they’re stored, how they’re metabolized and how they’re excreted, and how they truly affect every system.

I can continue to say that my husband and I felt that we were very healthy. We were living a healthy lifestyle. It wasn’t until I finished my schooling and became pregnant that I really took a look at where toxins were actually entering my body. And that was when I glanced down, I was seven weeks pregnant, I glanced down at my moisturizer, and I saw the label and I was terrified.

At that point, I looked down and I realized that these names that I was reading on my moisturizer were actually chemicals.

And my whole goal in educating myself and converting to a healthy lifestyle was to de-pollute my body and provide an environment for my baby that was growing inside me that was pollution-free.

When I realized that I was probably polluting her through the chemicals I was putting on my skin because I stopped and realized that it wasn’t just my moisturizer. I took a shower daily and my soap was contaminated, and my shampoo is contaminated, and my toothpaste is contaminated. It goes on.

DEBRA: And the tap water that you’re showering in is contaminated.

TRINA FELBER: Yes. Everything. And the soil. Everything is contaminated. You walk outside, you get enough toxins, and I’m sure you’ve had numerous guests that have talked about environmental. You get enough toxins that you can’t control.

Just pollution alone and water, the soil, and things like that that when you can find something that you can control and limit, that was my focus.

DEBRA: Mine too.

TRINA FELBER: Detoxifying what you can control in your life.

DEBRA: How did you get from that point to coming up with such a unique product of applying paleo principles to skin care?

TRINA FELBER: Well, my husband, he owns a CrossFit, and paleo is a big term in the CrossFit world. So we were introduced to paleo around the same time that I started making my own skin care products. So it all tied in, and when I realized that what I was making was real food products, things from food sources, and I was getting great results. I used to live with very oily and acne. Every day, my skin was broken out continuously in small, multi-doses of pimples, and oils.

And when I realized that when I was making my skin food for myself, and I was actually putting oil on my skin, I started to research what’s really going on here. Why is my acne going away, and why do I no longer get oily skin? At the same time, on my pregnancy, all of this was falling in place. And we realized that feeding the body real food sources, which basically is what the paleo diet stands for.

Real food, skipping the preservatives, and all the manufactured ingredients and chemicals, if you go right to the real food sources, your body can use those nutrients so much easier, and they actually heal and feed your body what it needs, so that it can function the way it’s supposed to.

DEBRA: Nature is all one system, and our bodies are part of that whole natural world. Just like any other species, nature has provided for us, the foods that we need in order to survive perfectly. And if we use those sources, then our bodies survive perfectly. If we don’t, then they start having problems. It’s that simple really.

TRINA FELBER: You start getting congested, and congested cells cannot function properly. So what I ended up doing was I started making my own products for myself, and my husband has a background in business. He was very successfully when starting businesses, and I was very lucky that I had his knowledge of business because I had no business background. But we decided that this was a great opportunity to share it with the world. So I started just creating my company, and creating my focus, and creating my products just by doing my research and looking for real food alternatives for specific either products or problems that we can talk about later.

For instance, my acne, I wanted a solution that was healthy that would heal my body because I really didn’t feel that the acne was something I had to live with. I had gone the route of dermatologists, the conventional treatments, and over-the-counter, and prescription. And nothing helped.

I was just talking to someone recently that suffered from acne, and I said, “What I realized just recently in the past six or seven years, in my 20-some years of suffering from acne, not one time was I ever asked what are you eating and what are you putting on your skin.”

DEBRA: I wasn’t either. I went through the whole teenage acne thing, and spent many years on tetracycline and erythromycin, two antibiotics that destroy your intestines. It wasn’t until when I was 24, I had discovered that I was sensitive to toxic chemicals, and I started detoxing my house, and of course, not being exposed to those things even though I wasn’t detoxing my body at that time, but my acne cleared up.

It was just a side effect. I wasn’t even trying to do that. But there was no more acne, and I’ve never had an acne since.

TRINA FELBER: I know. Isn’t it amazing?

DEBRA: It is amazing. So we’re going to go to break, and when we come back, we’ll talk about more about skin care. I think this is fascinating. Wait until you hear what she’s doing.

You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd, and my guest today is Trina Felber. She’s the CEO of Primal Life Organics. And you can go to PrimalLifeOrganics.com to find out more about what she’s doing. We’ll be right back.

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DEBRA: You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd, and my guest today is Trina Felber. She’s the CEO of Primary Life Organics, which takes the paleo world beyond diet, and applies it to food for the skin.

So Trina, you mentioned before that you learned, as a nurse, how toxic chemicals get into the body, and what they do, how they affect what’s going on inside your body. Can you tell us about some of the toxic chemicals that were on those products that you were using that were so frightening when you looked at them, and what kinds of things are they doing to people’s body. Why should we not be using those?

TRINA FELBER: Sure, I would love to talk about that. First of all, there are thousands of chemicals out there. I’ll give you a couple of examples that are the most common that you’ll see. But parabens are probably one of the most common chemicals that you’ll see on all types of skin care and moisturizer, shampoos, conditioners. It’s in make-up.

And when you think about these things, these are things that you use every single day, and sometimes you use them twice a day. Most of the time, you use more than one product. When these things are in there, even when they’re in these products in very micro amounts, very small amounts, you might be using six or seven products that have that exact, same chemical.

So that’s the real problem.

DEBRA: I just want to interrupt you for a minute about that very small dose. I was just reading this morning about vitamins, and it said that the body needs vitamins in very, very tiny amounts, just very tiny amounts. And when I read that I thought, “Oh, so anything else in little tiny amounts is going to affect your body.” A vitamin, in very tiny amounts, can have a huge effect on your body, and so can tiny amounts of anything else.

TRINA FELBER: Exactly. It’s amazing to think that we try to feed our bodies nutrients to help sustain life, sustain yourself, improve your oxygen and blood flow. But yet the things that we’re putting, the chemicals that are being put into these products, first of all, they’re very cheap, they’re fillers a lot of times, they’re preservatives, so they can have a long shelf life, they can mass-produce these products, and they could sit on the shelf for a couple of years before you open them.

The scary thing about that is some of these chemicals, as they sit on the shelf, in a product, either becomes stronger or weaker or can change into another chemical while sitting in there.

And so the longer something sits on a shelf, the less it resembles the original product, which is why I make everything fresh, so that what you’re getting is what you’re getting, and nothing is alternating in there.

But let me go back to the preservatives, and paraben is the most common one. Some of the problems with this, and this is not just paraben, but we’ll just start there, it can be an endocrine disrupter, which means that your endocrine system is responsible for your hormones, all of your hormones. And hormones are the little messengers that send messages to your other organs on how to function. One of those is the reproductive system, the thyroid gland, which is responsible for your metabolism.

So if you have a slow metabolism, you’ve changed a lot of things, and it’s not helping, you can look at your skin care and see if the parabens are in there because they can actually slow your metabolism down, and increase your fat storage.

The parabens have also been linked to breast cancer, and all sorts of cancers. They are mutagens. They mutate the cells, and a mutated cell will reproduce into another mutated cell if, in fact, reproduces, which most cells do. So that’s a very scary thought.

They can cause aging and DNA damage as well, these parabens.

Another chemical that you’ll find would be phthalates. They’re very common. Phthalates are put in to soften products, and they also help the product absorb more quickly into your body. So that sounds great, however, it also helps the chemicals that are in the product absorb more quickly into your body as well.

The phthalates are also endocrine disrupters, which like I said, affect your hormone system. They can cause reproductive damage, as well as infertility. And they may affect your fetus. Something to keep in mind, women of child-bearing age that these chemicals are not selected to your body. What I’ve learned in my background is that drugs and chemicals, same type of thing, do cross the blood-brain barrier, and they do cross the placenta.

So that was my main focus when I first started making this is I wanted a toxic-free environment, or as close to a toxic-free environment as I could get.

So they can affect the fetus as well, but they can also cause neurological damage and develop mental defects. In men, they can reduce sperm count and cause prostate changes.

Phthalates are very absorbable through the skin, and like I said, because they’re absorbable, they bring other chemicals faster to the skin as well.

Those are found in almost all personal care products, but they’re also found in cosmetics, in nail products and in children’s toys, which is another scary thought.

DEBRA: And they’re in anything that is scented. If they’re scented, if it says, “fragrance or perfume,” it’s got phthalates in it.

But now, that’s not true for essential oils. I’ll be very clear about that.

TRINA FELBER: Correct.

DEBRA: But the artificial fragrances all have phthalates in them.

TRINA FELBER: That’s very interesting. I’m glad you brought that out. Fragrance, almost any commercial product that has a scent, it’s on your deodorant, it’s obviously in colognes, perfumes, it’s in your moisturizers, anything that has a scent, soap wash.

Fragrances are considered trade secrets, so the company does not have to disclose what is making up that fragrance that they have in their product. There can be over 3000 different chemicals that create fragrances, and most of them are neurotoxins. They are cancer-causing agents as well. They can cause loss of muscle control, they can cause brain damage and headaches, memory loss, speech problems, hearing problems. They accumulate these ketones that they produce, accumulate in breast milk and fatty tissues.

DEBRA: We need to go to break. We’ll talk more about this when we come back. My guest today is Trina Felber. She’s the CEO of Primal Life Organics, and she takes the ideas behind paleo and applies them to food for the skin. We’re going to hear about her products when we come back. Her website is PrimalLifeOrganics.com. And we’ll be right back.

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DEBRA: You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd, and my guest today is Trina Felber. She’s the CEO of Primal Life Organics, and we’re talking about paleo skin care.

So Trina, give us your definition of paleo.

TRINA FELBER: My definition of paleo would be synonymous with real foods. I really feel that feeding the body real food sources is going to heal it and give it the nutrients it needs, so that it can prevent disease and function the way it’s supposed to.

So really, basically, I guess if you want to get down to it, my definition is real food.

DEBRA: Good. So then how does that apply then to paleo skin care, when you apply those principles to skin care? What would that definition be?

TRINA FELBER: The same thing. I take real food sources when I’m looking to make a product for something, skin or teeth, or make-up, or whatnot. Literally, when I decided that this is what I was going to do, I literally got rid of all of my commercial skin and products. And I started from the ground up. And I was forcing myself to look for real food alternatives because I couldn’t make it, I wasn’t going to use it, and if I stunk, I better hurry up and make it better.

That was the only way I was going to get it done—if I researched it and made it, and made it work. So I created a [peach stick], basically, so I didn’t stink, and it worked.

Basically, that’s what I did. I looked for real food sources, and I used oils, essential oils. I actually used real foods, such as garlic and beet root, and honey and spirulina, things like that. I used clays, which are very cleansing and detoxifying, as well as the fact that they contain minerals on them. I use it in my dirty mouth, tooth powder because it can actually help re-mineralize and strengthen your teeth. And I also use it as a hair wash. Clay is amazing for washing your hair. I also use herbs in my products.

So the benefits of all of those synonyms work wonders for your body, and they’re amazing.

DEBRA: I am looking on your website, and you said you would not eat a two-month old broccoli, so why use skin care that has been sitting on a shelf for months? And I think that that’s exactly right. One of the things about chemical skin care is that it really is designed for shelf life. And so these chemicals, they’re completely dead. They don’t do biological things like fresh food does.

A bunch of broccoli would decay and rot over time, but chemicals do not. They just sit there forever.
Since our skin is living, it needs to have those living nutrients instead of putting dead chemicals on it. It just makes sense to me.

TRINA FELBER: That’s very true. And the interesting thing, since we’re talking about this, is when you look at an ingredient list, and everyone should be aware the fact that the first ingredient has the highest percentage. And as you follow the ingredients all the way down to the bottom, the very least amount would be at the very bottom of the list. If you take away, for most skin care, commercial skin care, the water, the alcohol and preservatives, which are normally the first couple of ingredients, and then you remove the chemicals and everything else, the fragrance, you are most likely left with about 2% to 20% of the actual product that you are purchasing, the active ingredients, the good things.

So you’ve got about 90% to 98% in there that you could actually, and you should live without.

DEBRA: Absolutely, you should live without. So what’s the difference between paleo and organic, when you’re choosing skin care?

TRINA FELBER: Organic, it used to be a very good term or very pure, however, there’s a lot of people using the term, organic, just to use the term. And you can have one or two ingredients in a product that’s considered organic, and the rest, they can still put chemicals, they can put fillers, they can put preservatives. You might even put fragrance in there.

There’s another unique thing too. The way things are processed, some ingredients might be considered organic, but what they’re not disclosing is they were chemically-processed. And the chemicals, they don’t have to list because the processing, the way it was processed, doesn’t necessarily have to be disclosed.

But if they’re processed with chemicals, then that organic ingredient is really not organic. It could have some of those chemicals still in it.

So organic, what it was meant to mean, unfortunately, is not how people use it.

Paleo, in my feeling and the way I embrace paleo, is that it’s real food. And it has to have some sort of relationship with dirt, either it was grown in dirt, it has eaten dirt.

DEBRA: I love the way you described that.

TRINA FELBER: And if it has never had any relationship with dirt, then I don’t even consider using it. I guess that’s another definition of paleo, if you want it. And if it is dirt, then I’ll use it.

DEBRA: So we only just have a couple of minutes, less than two minutes, before we have to go to break, but let me ask you a question. So now, we know what all these things are. So now, you’re starting out with your whole, real food ingredients.

Pick a product that you make, and describe to us how you put this together.

Let’s just take your tooth powder, for example. It’s very different than getting toothpaste in a tube. So tell us how you put this together, and then how the product is, and how someone might experience the product when they actually use it.

And I’m going to have to interrupt you in the middle, to go to break.

TRINA FELBER: Yes, that’s fine. The tooth powder is very interesting. As it’s described, its’ a powder, so you let your toothbrush dip into the tooth powder, and you brush your teeth. And most people describe it as the feeling they just left the dentist’s office. It’s how clean they feel with their teeth.

But the interesting thing is, the commercial toothpaste contains ingredients, and I don’t have time to go into them and what the damage that they can cause not just to your body, but they can actually cause leeching of minerals from your teeth, and the minerals are what strengthen your teeth.

What dirty mouth has in it are three different kinds of clays that contain the minerals that your teeth need to stay strong. And your teeth actually are porous and absorb. So they are living, breathing organ, which no one thinks of them that way.

DEBRA: I love this.

TRINA FELBER: But they can actually heal. I actually made it for my daughter, who was about, probably, 8 to 10 months when we found the defect in one of her molars. And we got to go to break, so we can finish.

DEBRA: We’ll stop right there, and we’ll go to break. You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd, and my guest today is Trina Felber. She’s the CEO of Primal Life Organics. We’re talking about teeth and tooth powder, and we’ll finish that when we come back. We’ll be right back.

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DEBRA: You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd, and my guest today is Trina Felber. She’s the CEO of Primal Life Organics, which is at PrimalLifeOrganics.com.

I just loved that before the break, you were talking about teeth being a living, breathing organ, and they can heal. I think I never thought of it that way. Of course, they would be, but you think they’re grown and dead.

TRINA FELBER: Yes, you think of them as what you have is what they are, and there’s no way to change that. But that’s the reason that they decay. That’s the reason you get cavities. That’s the proof right there. You just don’t think about it.

DEBRA: Oh, yes, they decay. They biodegrade, yes.

TRINA FELBER: If they can biodegrade, they’re alive.

DEBRA: So you need to give them the nutrients, so that you can restore them, just like you would restore anything else.

TRINA FELBER: Changing to a diet where you’re eating real food will definitely help. Anything you put in your mouth, the first thing that gets exposed to the chemicals or the pesticides, like you were talking about, or the sugar, are your teeth and your gums.

It’s no wonder that they say that heart disease and any inflammatory process, which is diabetes and arthritis, starts in your mouth. Your health really does begin in your mouth because if you have inflamed gum tissue and decaying teeth, that’s a sign that your insides are just as weak.

So preventing that is a huge key in preventing all sorts of problems.

So that was my focus when I decided to research what in the world can I make that’s going to—

DEBRA: Trina, I just have to interrupt you and say, I’m just delighted. I’m delighted that you have this viewpoint of how are you going to heal, and how are you going to make your teeth as good and healthy as possible because I’m sure that that is not the viewpoint of most people who are making tooth products.

TRINA FELBER: No.

DEBRA: They’re just trying to get your teeth clean and put fluoride on them. But this a whole different concept. It goes along with the whole real food thing of really restoring health that you’re restoring health to the teeth, you’re restoring health to the skin, all those things, and I can see that you’re really looking at what makes these different body parts healthy.

TRINA FELBER: It goes back to my nursing. I want to help. I want to heal. And it goes back to the knowledge based of knowing the body, knowing how your body and your organs function, and then looking at alternatives that we have in the environment, in our food sources, and saying, “Gosh, if this contains antioxidants, and it contains vitamins and nutrients, it’s got to be better than something that’s leeching all that and mutating your cells and causing you inflammation.”

Really, inflammation is so destructive that you’ve got to prevent it. And my whole idea behind this is you’ve got to prevent it.

And when I started this company, going back to the beginning, I didn’t realize it, but you know, I was tired all the time, and I just didn’t have the energy. My teeth were getting bad. My breath was bad, all of these signs and symptoms that my body was not doing well.

And now, seven years later, after I’ve been basically paleo skin care for the past six to seven years, I can say that I have energy, my skin is vibrant, I don’t look 46, and I don’t feel 46. But I definitely can tell you that looking back, I feel so much better. And it’s not just with diet for your food that you take in, it’s the diet for your skin that really makes the difference.

DEBRA: So there are a couple of things that I want to mention because we’re coming to the end. We only have about six minutes left. So I want to make sure we get these two things in. One is that you’re offering my listeners 20% off their entire purchase through September 30th. So if you go to her website, you can until September 30th, get 20% off of your whole purchase. You can buy as much as you want, PrimaryLifeOrganics.com, 20% off until September 30th.

And the other thing I want to mention, I want you to talk about a little bit is you have a blog called Cave Girl Skin Care. And what I saw on there was recipes for food. This isn’t about products. This is about food that you can eat to help your skin.

So tell us some about that.

TRINA FELBER: Real quick before we go, let me tell the coupon code for that 20% off is “toxic free.”

DEBRA: Great, I forgot to say that.

TRINA FELBER: Just two words, toxic free, you’ll need that for checkout, and you’ll get 20% off.

DEBRA: When you get to the checkout, yes. You just need to when they ask you for the code put in “toxic free.” It’s two words, 20% off through September 30th, PrimaryLifeOrganics.com.

TRINA FELBER: Yes, definitely. Yes, I don’t believe just in feeding your skin, obviously, nutrition is nutrition. And you need good gut flora. You need good gut health because a lot of causes of acne and eczema and psoriasis, and some of the conditions that you see outward are really being expressed in word that you don’t see. And you don’t see the outward signs of these problems until the insides are really not functioning well.

Like I said before, it’s an inflammatory process most of these. But if you feed your body fruits and vegetables, basically, I tell people who shop the parameter of the grocery store, anything down the aisles, down the centers, is going to have preservatives in it, or most likely, will have preservatives or be more processed.

So Whole Foods is your real source. And you can be very creative. Yes, I write for CaveGirlSkinCare.com. I also have some guest bloggers. I’m not the best recipe and cook. I do very well, but I don’t have time to be a mastermind of everything.

So, I do have [inaudible 00:32:10] that help write recipes have really good ideas about what different kinds of things you could eat and ways to put them together and snacks. It’s really actually pretty easy to eat real food once you get used to it.

DEBRA: It is. It really is. I am somebody who really likes to eat food. I love eating. I love eating good food. And I used to do things like buy a bag of cookies and sit there and eat the bag of cookies for dinner, which is not what I do anymore. It’s been many, many years since I’ve done that.

But I used to really be a person who would eat junk food and not even pay attention to what was in it or anything.

But now, what I do is I don’t buy any of that. I buy fresh, whole foods and I say, “Okay, what am I going to do with them?”

And that’s it. That’s my thought process is how can I make these into really delicious dishes?

And just over time, you just become familiar with the ingredients, what they can do, what they taste like, and how to put them together. I just open my refrigerator and I know I can eat everything that’s in it. And I know everything that I eat is going to be nutritious and help my body have health, and it’s organic. And I just open the refrigerator and open the cupboards and say, “How am I going to put this together today in a way that makes me extremely happy?”

TRINA FELBER: There are so many resources. Five or six years ago, eating gluten-free, or paleo, or real food, there wasn’t a lot of options and the food didn’t taste that good, but now, there are so many good resources out there, and the gluten-free things are more palatable to the point where my kids, that’s all they’ve known, so they don’t know the other, eating other type of stuff, but they eat it. They enjoy it. And I enjoy it.

So it’s not as hard as it used to be.

DEBRA: No, it really isn’t. And it really is worth it to learn how to eat in this way.

I just want to say that paleo, as a diet, can mean a lot of different things. I’ve been to a lot of paleo websites. I’ve been on a “paleo diet.” And what I’ve learned is that I eat real foods, but the way I eat them now in a way that works for me, it looks a little different than what is on a lot of paleo websites because I just can’t eat that much meat myself, and I also know that a lot of what is healing is the fruits and vegetables.

I just had a guest on yesterday where we’re talking about this. She eats two-thirds, she recommends two-thirds of your diet be fruits and vegetables, that much because they are so healing to the body. And of course, you need to have protein sources too, but the fruits and vegetables that’s what heals. That’s what heals us.

TRINA FELBER: It has all the vitamins and nutrients that are going to support health.

DEBRA: Yes. So when you go to these paleo sites, keep in mind that what they’re talking about is a basic collection of real foods. But a lot of times, I see a lot of emphasis on, “Let’s put maple syrup on everything,” or, “Eat a pound of bacon for breakfast,” or things like that. And that’s not what I do.

What I do is I eat a lot of fruits and vegetables. I eat some protein. I eat them as organic and as close to their natural state as possible. And that was what I think that people in paleo times did.

Anyway, we’ve only got about a minute left. So is there anything you’d like to say that we haven’t talked about?

TRINA FELBER: I would like to mention, I’m writing a book for anybody that’s interested. It’s not out yet, but it will be out soon. It’s all about your skin care and how it can affect your life. Start small, make changes today, and even if it’s just your toothpaste or it’s your deodorant, and you switch to a pitch stick, it will make a huge impact, and it will start to change your mindset and your focus. And if you think of what you’re putting on your skin as food, I call all of my products skin food because once you have thought of them as food, it changes the way you read the labels, and the way you think.

DEBRA: Wonderful, Trina. Thank you so much. And please let me know when your book is available, so we can have you on again. Again, her website is PrimalLifeOrganics.com. And you can go there, put in “toxic free” at checkout for 20% off your entire purchase through September 30th.

You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd. Be well.