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Question from Kim G
I’m looking into purchasing a Class C motorhome (as a tiny home on wheels) for full-time travel but I’m concerned with the level of toxic materials used in construction. I’ve thought of purchasing an older model so that I can do renovations with non-toxic materials but I’m not quite sure where to begin my search.
Any advice on the topic of motorhomes is much appreciated!
Well as it happened, Larry and I were just discussing the same thing this week! So we put this on the top of our to-do list and I can give you some up-to-the minute information.
We went out looking at motorhomes at a large RV dealer so we could see a lot of options.
It sounds like you already know that you want a Class C.
We had already looked at some new motorhomes and found them to be too toxic. But then we looked at some that were 2007 returns that had been take out of rental service and each one of them was acceptable to me. So the materials were about 11 years old.
I didn’t like the design aesthetic, so we would be remodeling anyway, but it wasn’t toxic.
So if anyone reading this wants to buy a relatively nontoxic home-on-wheels, look for a motorhome circa 2007 or earlier. None of the motorhomes I looked at had any fragrance, cigarette smoke, pesticides, pet smell or other human-use odors that I could detect, so this is a viable option.
We’re going to continue our search on lots and on Craig’s List. EBay also has them but I wouldn’t buy one sight-unseen. You can’t tell if there’s something toxic from looking at a photo.
WHY WE ARE LOOKING AT MOTORHOMES INSTEAD OF TRAILERS OR TINY HOUSES
We’ve been researching all these options for almost two years now.
There are a lot of factors that go into choosing a tiny house vs a trailer vs a motor home.
The main thing that has kept us from moving forward with a tiny house or trailer is where to park it. You can’t park them on the street. You have to park them in a trailer park, which can cost $1000/month or more depending on where you are. And we’ve checked out trailer parks. Virtually all of them had people cooking outdoors with lighter fluid, the smell of which was all over the trailer park at dinner time.
On the other hand, you can park a motorhome on the street and sleep in it for up to 72 hours. You can park them in parking lots. You can purchase unbuildable land and park them on your land. There is a lot more freedom regarding where you can put them.
In our case, we will be parking ours on family property near Larry’s mom’s house. And then when the time comes when we will no longer need to live here, we can just drive off and still have a place to live while we establish our new home. And we’ll be able to just drive around all we want while we look for the best place to live for the next chapter of our lives.
A motorhome just seems more do-able.
So that’s where we are with this.
And yes, we’ll be ripping out the interior and remodeling. Although, if we get an older model and the built-ins are real wood…that would be ideal.
Question from Melissa
I recently saw a Lovesac piece of soft furniture, and wanted to know about the materials it is made from. They are textiles, REPREVE, repurposed from plastic bottles, and Durafoam, a premium blend of shredded recycled foam. They make a “Sac” and a sectional couch. They are designed for life with a lifetime warrenty. Costco is offering special Couch bundles for its customers.
Thank you for your help!
This is a very clever and affordable design. As for the materials…
REPREVE is a good example of material that is “green” because it’s recycled but it’s not nontoxic for everyone.
The company has recycled more than 10 billion plastic bottles by turning them in to “performance fiber,” which is great for the environment. But while their website says much about how many plastic bottles they’ve recycled and all the major brand names that are using their fabric, it says nothing about the actual fabric, like what the bottles are made from or if the fabric has any finishes applied.
I happen to know from other research that the bottles are made from PET. As a material, PET is interesting because it has two names. It’s called PET when it’s a plastic and polyester when it’s a fiber. REPREVE calls it neither, it just says it’s made from recycled plastic bottles.
NASA found that PET doesn’t outgas, and health effects are negligible, however, if you are sensitive to materials made from petroleum, this fabric may not be for you.
Durafoam is simply polyurethane foam that may have unknown additives of various kinds, including fire retardants (it’s very flammable).
What is Shredded Durafoam?
Shredded Durafoam is a Lovesac trademarked unique blend of high, medium, and low-density open-cell polyurethane foam. To assure the most comfortable sitting experience, Durafoam is guaranteed never to go flat.
[Apparently the word “Durafoam” is copyrighted for a number of different foams used to make different types of products. So this is not a broad definition of Durafoam. If you see this term again on another product, it’s probably a different mix of chemicals.]
This product doesn’t look to be particularly toxic-conscious.
It’s not something I would recommend, but I can’t make a definitive case for it being toxic either, since I don’t have all the information about the materials needed to make that call.
When I see something unknown like this, I pass. Companies with really good quality toxic-free materials bend over backwards to tell us about those materials. I don’t see that going on here.
I’m very excited to write this post today because it is the first post that contains links to my new Zero Toxics Knowledge Base. These links give you more information about the material, so I can link to that materials information again and again from different posts. Eventually you will begin to become familiar with materials as you read. Be sure to click through as you read.
One of the reasons why I love to do what I do is because my readers come to me all the time with products I don’t know about and ask me if they are toxic-free.
Often I point out toxic materials and reject the product, but yesterday one of my ongoing consulting clients (who doesn’t buy anything without running it by me first), brought some window shutters to me to check out. At first they looked suspicious, but they turned out to me wonderful, and opened the door to a whole new world of possibilities for affordable toxic-free products.
The description on the Smith & Noble website said “Eco Wood Shutters…These beautifully styled shutters are crafted to bring you all the beauty of wood alongside long lasting superior strength. Made from sustainable materials and featuring a tough poly coating that contains no VOC’s..Patented poly coating resists staining to ensure longevity in any environment.”
Eco wood..the beauty of wood…sustainable materials…sounds like wood but the description doesn’t actually say wood.
So I called customer service for my client and asked about it.
“Yes, It’s wood,” they said, “It’s a wood composite.”
“But this doesn’t make sense, “ I said. “Wood composites outgas toxic chemicals like formaldehyde. Why would they put a zero-VOC finish on a wood composite?”
“I’m pretty sure they made the composite with no toxic chemicals.”
“I need to know for sure what this composite is made of.”
“Well, I don’t know so you should just get our real wood shutters rather than the DuraWood.”
Ah ha! A brand name. I hung up from customer service and looked up DuraWood.
Yes yes yes!
Turns out that DuraWood is a wood and plastic composite that has the look, smell and feel of wood but has the durability of plastic. The great part is the plastic is polyethylene , which is one of the least toxic materials on the planet.
The finish is zero VOCs because it’s not a finish at all. It’s “poly” (polyethylene).
You can go online and type in “durawood” and you will find all kinds of products made with this materials.
I haven’t yet seen a sample of this material, but on paper it checks out as toxic-free.
Smith & Noble also sells Durawood blinds , which would be another affordable choice.
COMMENTARY ON PRODUCT DESCRIPTION
This is yet another example of businesses giving insufficient information on the health aspects of the product.
The material is actually nontoxic, but they don’t tell us that. I had to call customer service and even they didn’t know what to say to me. I had to research the material myself.
It would have been so much better if they would give full disclosure, tell us about the materials, and show us it’s OK for us to use.
Last night Larry and I went shopping for a pumpkin pie.
Usually I make something pumpkin, but this year I’m so immersed in working on my new website that it was enough to make the organic turkey and and gluten-free cornbread stuffing and yams and cranberry sauce sweetened with local apples and green bean casserole. So I thought we could just buy a pumpkin pie this year. And I’m living with Larry’s family at the moment, so want to make a Thanksgiving dinner that will be familiar to them.
So we went to Whole Foods because I thought they might have house-baked pumpkin pies, but they didn’t. They had two brands of packaged pies. One was not even organic and had a lot of additives that don’t belong in pumpkin pie. The other was gluten-free and vegan and the second ingredient was tofu, so that was not an option for me because I don’t eat soy. Plus it was $20 for a smaller-than-usual pie.
We actually ended up purchasing a huge pie made with organic pumpkin from Costco, which seems to carry more and more organic food every day. Eleven-inch pie for only $7.99. And none of the additives found in the Whole Foods pie.
Times are changing. Whole Foods is no longer Whole Foods. Their basic operating principles are gone.
Next year I’ll go back to baking my own, but it was interesting to see what is going on in the world of pumpkin pie.
Here are some recipes I’ve shared in the past for pumpkin. I highly recommend the Pumpkin Pie for Everyone if you want something close to the standard pie, but try some of the others too. All yummy.
The ingredients are so simple, practically everyone can eat it. There’s no crust (though you could add one if you want) so there are no grains, and there is no sweetener of any kind (though it tastes remarkably sweet!). And it’s so delicious you won’t miss the usually-soggy crust or the sugar. It’s my favorite pumpkin pie ever! RECIPE >>>
You probably know twice baked potatoes…I roasted the pumpkin, fluffed up the roasted pumpkin with a fork in its shell, added butter and molasses, and some toppings, and baked it again. The result was “awesome”, according to my taste testers. Both preferred this to pumpkin pie and so did I. You get to see the pumpkin in its natural shell and natural state, not pureed, but as nature made it. A wonderful celebration! RECIPE >>>
The Oxford Word of the Year is a word or expression that is judged to reflect the ethos, mood, or preoccupations of the passing year, and have lasting potential as a term of cultural significance.
There was a 45% rise in the number of times the word was looked up on the Oxford Dictionary website.
Read more about the word and how the idea of “toxic” is permeating our world here:
You may have heard in the news yesterday or this morning that San Francisco had the worst air quality in the world.
So I just wanted to let you know I’m OK and what is was like here.
Yesterday was day 9 of smoky skies. Larry and I had been staying pretty much indoors for a week and decided to go out to lunch. It seemed in the morning that the sky was clearer than it had been.
But as we were driving around for several hours, I kept saying, “you know, it looks like the smoke is getting worse.” Until finally we both were not feeling well, so we came home to the news that the air quality here was now worst in the world.
There is something called the Air Quality Index that rates how polluted the air is.
We were in the HAZARDOUS range.
Here’s our local San Francisco Bay Area map:
We just stayed in our bedroom with the door closed and turned up our EnviroKlenz air filter the highest setting. We were so relieved to have this filter.
For the past forty years I have made a point to always live where there is clean air. So I can go outdoors anytime I want and be able to breathe. This past week and especially yesterday I haven’t had that option because the air outdoors was worse than the air indoors.
But the EnviroKlenz Mobile air filter did it’s job. We were protected, I slept well, and this morning I’m feeling fine and up working. It’s still smoky outside, but here next to the filter, I can breathe.
The air quality is down to UNHEALTHY this morning, here.
But this is exactly why I think everyone needs an air filter. And one that removes both particles and gasses. If I didn’t already have this air filter, yesterday I would have really wished I had it.
[This morning I’ve been here in my office writing without the air filter for about two hours. After sleeping in the bedroom with it overnight I was feeling really good. Now after two hours of being indoors without the air filter my lungs are irritated and it’s getting hard to breathe. My eyes are burning, I have a headache, getting tired and sleepy…I’m going to the bedroom now to get the air filter and bring it to my office. I really need two air filters, one for each room.]
I’ve arranged a 20% discount on EnviroKlenz Mobile air filters for you, through Tuesday.
Last week I wrote a post about choosing my Thanksgiving turkey.
This week I want to give you more information I just received from the Organic Consumers Association about why you shouldn’t buy the standard supermarket turkey.
I did make a decision about my turkey.
I chose a local organic Willie Birds turkey, which was the choice of Williams-Sonoma this year. In their catalog, these turkeys are about $10/pound + shipping. I ordered one down the street from where I live for $2.49 a pound. Same turkey.
Here’s more information about turkeys:
Last year I wrote a long post about all the different choices we have for Thanksgiving turkeys.
After doing this research I decided to purchase a locally-grown heritage turkey from a 4H project and wrote about that experience as well at My Thanksgiving Organic Heritage Turkey—A Shining Example of a Toxic Free Product.
This year I am considering my choices yet again.
Again, here where I live I can purchase a fresh heritage turkey and organic and, of course, conventional turkeys.
This year I’m on the fence between buying another heritage turkey or buying an organic turkey.
Here’s what I’m thinking.
Last year I wanted the experience of a heritage turkey. I was willing to spend $9 a pound for that experience. But I didn’t know what the turkey would be like, and I didn’t want to deprive my family of the usual turkey experience they were expecting, so we actually had two turkeys.
An organic turkey is half the price and it’s organic, but it’s what is called a “broad-breasted white”—a hybrid breed that have been created to produce a lot of breast meat. This year I’ve been eating a lot more heirloom and heritage foods so the thought of eating a hybrid turkey seems much less appealing to me.
But stil, it’s better than a conventional turkey. It’s organic.
My choices for organic here are to buy one of two brands:
- Willie Bird Organic is our very local brand. In fact, they are almost in my back yard. They were one of the first companies to go natural with their turkeys years ago. Their organic birds are limited and local and not on their website. But my the butcher at my local independent grocery offered to order one for me when I asked. Willie Bird Organic Turkeys are being shipped by Williams-Sonoma this year.
- Mary’s Organic Turkeys are being sold by my local organic food co-op. This brand is very highly regarded in my town and sold at all the best places. On their website you can order a conventional turkey, a free-range turkey, an organic turkey or a heritage turkey. Again these are very local and you can’t order delivered-to-your-door, but check out their website and see how they are raising their turkeys and look for something similar in your local area.
I haven’t decided yet which turkey I’m going to choose, but I have to show you my dream turkey. My favorite restaurant—SHED in Healdsburg, California— is offering these turkeys for special order, starting at about $200.
They are from Good Shepherd Poultry Ranch in Kansas. They DO ship turkeys, chickens, ducks, and geese. The primo primo primo restaurants here serve these birds, Naturally bred, sustainably raised, and humanely harvested. Again check their website and see what they are doing and look for local. They are the oldest continuous strain of standard-bred heritage birds in North America.
See more turkeys on the Meat & Poultry page of Debra’s List.
- No synthetic pesticides
- No GMOs
- No herbicides like glyphosate
- No sewage sludge fertilizer
- No obesogens that can make you fat
But now there is a new study from France in which a team of researchers evaluated the diets of almost 70,000 adult volunteers over a period of several years.
The volunteers were categorized into four groups based on how often they consumed organic foods, including fruits, vegetables, meat, fish, cooking oils. Even processed food was included.
The researchers collected data for several years. Then they made note of those who did and did not develop cancer. The results were dramatic.
Volunteers who reported eating the most organic food were 25% less likely to be diagnosed with cancer. The greatest reductions of risk were seen in post-menopausal breast cancer and non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma.
I agree this is a likely outcome. A basic law of toxicology is “no poison, no poisoning.” That sounds obvious but people don’t seem to understand that eating or drinking or breathing poisons that cause cancer are likely to result in cancer. Thus people smoke even though there is a warning label on the package.
I go out of my way and spend more money to eat the best local, seasonal, fresh organic food. I just ate yummy organic roasted carrots from my farm market and just made the rounds this morning to find out who’s selling organic turkeys for Thanksgiving.
Organic is worth it. 70,000 French citizens just proved it.
I originally wrote this post in 2010. Not much has changed since then in terms of types of heaters, but I’ve updated it to bring the links to products up to date.
Readers, I’d love to have some comments with the brands of heaters you are using and like.
I had someone ask this week about portable heaters. I had written that I have a “ceramic heater” with a metal housing and she didn’t know what a ceramic heater was, or what to look for. So I’m going to give you a little review here of different types of portable heaters that come with metal housings, including pictures, so you know what your options are.
First, though, I want to say that with any portable heater with a metal housing, there will likely be an initial odor from the finish that is not fully cured. These finishes are heat cured during manufacture, but there can be residual outgassing as the finish is dry to the touch, but not fully cured. Once the finish is fully outgassed, you can use these heaters with no problem.
About outgassing heaters…From reading your comments, I see that some of you are not outgassing them long enough. It requires a lot more than a few hours. I gave mine to a friend to use all winter. Others have just run the heater outdoors or in the garage. How long you need to outgas the heater depends on the model and even within specific models there are differences. Just heat it until it doesn’t smell any more. But for some types of heaters we’re talking about 100 hours or more of heat before the smell goes away.
You can buy some of these heaters used, like on eBay or try your local Craig’s List. A used heater will already be gassed out and you’ll save money too.
You may not be able to find a heater on your local store shelves that does not smell initially. But if you bake it out, the smell will eventually burn off and you will have a good serviceable heater. There are some heaters you can buy online that are unfinished.
Ceramic “utility” heaters
I’ve noticed now that the ceramic heaters in metal casings are called “utility heaters.” Here are some that say “all metal construction” in their description.
There are a lot more. The way I found these was I did a Google search on “utility heater” and it gave me Goggle search results for utility heater. I just started clicking and reading descriptions. Sometimes I had to read descriptions from several different vendors to find out they had metal housings.I’ve found this year that if the housing is metal, they say so in the description. If it doesn’t say metal and look further into the Q&A, it always says plastic if someone asks. So look for “metal” or “steel” in the description.
These utility heaters are the least expensive heating option, around $40. They are not beautiful [although the 2018 models are getting more stylish], but they will heat your room.
My experience with buying this type of heater is that they don’t have much odor right out of the box, You might need to run it a day or two to burn offf any odor, but it hasn’t been a problem for me.
These are oil-filled heaters that look like old radiators. The oil is completely sealed in and should not leak. I have one and it works very well to heat up one room. And it’s totally silent. Has no fan.
This type of heater is notoriously bad about outgassing. This is the one that requred an entire winter to outgas, But once I outgassed it, it’s been a great, reliable heater for more than twenty years. It was worth the effort.
These are made by many different brands.
Baseboard heaters are filled with water or other substances.
One reader wrote that she moved into an apartment with 50-year-old baseboard hot water/oil heaters that also contained glycol, which was leaking. She and her cat got very sick. So that’s something to watch out for.
Another reader wrote that she installed Cadet Soft Heat baseboard heaters throughout her house and there is no odor. I just looked at their website again and they also have wall heaters and garage heaters which look to have metal housings, but they don’t say in the description. So this is something to check if their products interest you. The baseboard heaters have metal housings.
Infrared Radiant Heaters
The heat produced by infrared heaters and the heat produced by the sun are very much alike. The heat we feel on our planet is infrared heat produced by the sun. In contrast to most heaters, Infrared heaters do not heat the air in the area and do not cause circulation of the warm air–instead, they heat objects directly. The rays produced by an infrared heater penetrate the skin and warm your body beneath the skin.
They are the heat source for far-infrared saunas.
A reader recommended radiant heaters from Radiant Electric Heat. They have stainless steel models “which produces no chemicals, dust particles, odors or fumes.” Their portable stainless steel model has no finish—just stainless steel. The company is experienced working with people with MCS.
- StainlessSteel model s DME Certified
- Non-allergenic, perfect for chemically sensitive or people with acute allergy or sinus conditions
- Built-in thermostat for accurate control of your comfort
- Internal tip-over switch for your safety
- Silent – Clean – Odorless – Economical – Reliable
Warm Your Body Instead of Your Home
I can’t pass up this opportunity to remind everyone that you can save a lot on your heating bills by warming your body instead of the air around you. It takes a lot more energy to warm the air in a room than it does to warm your body. Many body warmers need no energy at all!
- Put on a sweater or scarf or even a wool vest. In the winter I wear flannel shirts with tank tops underneath, sweatshirts, sweaters scarves, wool sock. Long underwear is great!
- Drink hot liquids. Skip the hot chocolate and find herbal teas that you like that you can sip all day, or vegetable soup or bone broth.
- Snuggle with a loved one under a blanket. Body heat is great!