My guest is André Fauteux, Editor and Publisher of La Maison du 21e siècle (21st-Century Housing) magazine, a Quebec-based, French trimestrial on healthy and sustainable housing which he founded in 1994. During the summer of 1988, Andre was a reporter for the Montreal Gazette daily. There he wrote about a little girl with leukemia whose parents were trying to raised $100,000 to pay for a bone marrow transplant in the US. Sadly, the effort failed and Danielle Hebert passed away. Moved by this, André began investigating the causes of leukemia and learned that pesticides and magnetic fields were suspected triggers. He has dedicated his career to seeking and communicating ways of preventing and fixing environmental diseases and disasters. In 1990-91, while writing for a housing weekly (Habitabec) and freelancing for a New Age magazine (Guide Ressources), he had the good fortune of discovering his mission by learning about Building Biology and Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation’s Healthy Housing initiative. Andre will talk about electrosensitivity and why smart meters are making some people sick. http://maisonsaine.ca/electrosmog/
TOXIC FREE TALK RADIO
Electrosensitivity and Smart Meters
Host: Debra Lynn Dadd
Guest: André Fauteux
Date of Broadcast: February 27, 2015
DEBRA: Hi, I’m Debra Lynn Dadd, and this is Toxic Free Talk Radio, where we talk about how to thrive in a toxic world.
Even though there may be toxic chemicals in our consumer products, surrounding the environment, in the news every day, and even other dangers such as electromagnetic fields (which we’re going to be talking about today), there are things that each one of us can do to live a less toxic life, and flourish, and prosper and be happy and productive, and everything that we want to be without being affected by toxic chemicals or other dangers. We can remove them from our homes and our bodies, and feel a lot better. That’s the whole point of this show.
Today is Monday, May 27, 2013. It’s Memorial Day. And I just want to talk for a minute about Memorial Day, which was started after the Civil War. And it is to honor (and still is) and remember those men and women who defended our country in our armed forces.
I, myself, am descended from patriots who fought in the Revolutionary War. And while I’m not an official member of the Daughters of the American Revolution, my grandmother was and my great aunt was; both were members. And I traced our genealogy back to nine ancestors, who fought for freedom in our country.
And so I very much am aware of the necessities sometimes. While I very much think that we can live without or that would be fine with me, I think there are times when we need to stand up for freedom. And I am very appreciative of those men and women in the past who have stood up for the freedom in our country so that we have freedoms today to make choices like choices to not use toxic chemicals.
So today we’re going to talk about electromagnetic fields and electrosensitivity and smart meters. And my guest actually is from Canada. His name is André Fauteux, and he’s the Editor and Publisher of La Maison du 21e siècle. Now I have to say 21st Century in French. The English name of the magazine is 21st Century Housing. He’s based in Quebec, and the magazine is about healthy and sustainable housing.
Welcome, André. I’m so pleased to have you on.
ANDRÉ FAUTEUX: Hi, Debra. Thanks for your interest. Glad to be here.
DEBRA: Good. So tell us how you became interested in the field of toxic chemicals have electromagnetic fields and led you to make a whole regular magazine. And I should also say that André sends me new articles about electromagnetic sensitivity and electromagnetic fields and what’s going on around the world; multiple articles every week. And of everybody I know, he knows more about this subject than anyone. So I’m very, very interested in what he has to say today.
But tell us your story first, André.
ANDRÉ FAUTEUX: Yes. I began in my twenties when I had serious back aches. I was a reporter for the Montreal Gazette Daily and I wrote a story on a little girl who had leukemia and passed away. So I was really moved by that and wondering what causes leukemia.
So I started to speak to different doctors. I spoke to a dermatologist, who was fighting herbicide applications on lawns, Dr. June Irwin, and she told me that many cancers were linked to herbicide use; 2, 4-D was linked directly to leukemia and non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma.
And so I began, actually, after my internship at the Gazette, writing for Housing Newspaper for five years. And I devote a specialty, a beat in healthy and sustainable housing, and speaking to a lot of architects and engineers, but also chemists, toxicologists and physicians.
I became a specialist ever since 1990, even focusing on all the home pollutants. And I did link it also to myself, my own back aches, and a moderate level also of food sensitivities. I linked them to the fact that I did a lot of painting as a teenager – you know, with a roller over my head and I was just in my shorts. [Inaudible 00:05:44] a whole, little cloud all of my body. So I had to wash my body a few times with bar soap.
So a couple of years later, when I began writing a lot about multiple chemical sensitivity, doctors told me, “For sure that was not very good for your health.”
DEBRA: I had a similar experience where before I knew anything about chemical sensitivity or being poisoned by toxic chemicals, I was very interested in interior design. And so whenever I had the opportunity, I was always doing things like painting.
But one day, I had a new boyfriend and he had a renovated house in Berkeley, California; a beautiful, old house, where the bathroom had been not well-constructed and didn’t have any tile. And the shower was painted concrete. And every time I would take a shower in this little, tiny cubicle, I would get paint chips all over my body because the paint was peeling.
And so one day I said, “I’m just going to take all these layers and layers of paint off.”
And really it was not bigger than three-by-three feet.
ANDRÉ FAUTEUX: Did you know if it was lead paint?
DEBRA: Well, I didn’t know it was lead paint but here’s even worse, I took the most toxic paint stripper. I think it was called Thompson’s or something. And I applied it all over this little space. And then I took a single razor blade, and I stood there for hours scraping that paint off the walls, breathing in all the fumes. And my naked body absorbing them.
That was not the smartest thing I ever did. But I didn’t know. I didn’t know. And I’m sure that people still do things like that all the time.
ANDRÉ FAUTEUX: Of course.
DEBRA: Go on with your story.
ANDRÉ FAUTEUX: Well that’s why I’ve been writing for 20 years about prevention and solution because people don’t know.
DEBRA: That’s right. That’s why I do it too.
ANDRÉ FAUTEUX: What I learned also is that it could be chemicals, it could be mold or electric shock; all sorts of shock to your nervous system that make you chemically, and even electromagnetically sensitive. It’s happened with mold and people getting shocks; a telephone, how do you say this? Receptionist. An earpiece? They get a shock in their ear?
A lady writing to me today that she got lightning bolt spread in her ear and became electro-sensitive because of that.
And the issue is interesting for many years because it turns out that in Quebec, we have the highest levels, among the highest in the world, levels of exposure to 60-hertz magnetic field. Those are the fields caused by domestic electricity; all in your household wiring and in power lines. And the current is when you turn on an appliance. You get a magnetic field when a current is circulating.
And in Quebec, 70% of our homes are heated with electricity. So we have very, very high magnetic field levels.
And it turns out, I did investigations and we also happen to have the highest rates of cancer for children, and leukemia, brain and breast cancer, with the general population. And those are all suspected to be linked to magnetic fields, electric and magnetic fields. It’s a big issue here in Quebec.
DEBRA: Sounds like it is.
So I would like to know, could you just explain, very simply, because we have 45 seconds until the break, about what are EMFs? Let’s just start with that.
ANDRÉ FAUTEUX: Well that’s when the current, when you turn on an appliance, you get [inaudible 00:10:01] or current, and that’s a magnetic field. And when it only has voltage or tension that’s an electric field. Even though your appliance is turned off, you still have electric field. Those are also suspected to be linked to leukemia and allergies.
So that’s why it’s good at night to, some people are very sensitive, they shut off all the power in their bedroom even at the main breaker; even the electrical tension, so they won’t have also electric fields, not only magnetic fields.
DEBRA: We’ll talk more about electromagnetic fields, how they can affect your health, smart meters and all kinds of related things with André Fauteux, Editor and Publisher of the 21st Century Housing Magazine.
I’m Debra Lynn Dadd and you’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio.
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Okay, André, back to you. Now, explain what electrosensitivity is.
ANDRÉ FAUTEUX: Well, much like chemical sensitivity, some people react to very, very low doses of electric and magnetic fields that most people don’t react to. And surveys in Europe have shown, national surveys in several countries have shown that the percentage of people saying they are electro-sensitive went from under 1 per cent around 1994 in Sweden, to around 10 per cent in several countries; even up to 13 per cent in Germany, around 2004. And Scandivania, in 2000, it was the first region in the world where at least 50 per cent of people used a cell phone daily. And that’s where most countries, northern countries, where most people start saying they’re electro-sensitive because it’s really toxic overload.
And what happens is that people will get headaches, mostly, sleeping problems, digestive problems, even mood disorders. And it goes all the way down to your skin burning and having candidiasism, noise in your ear and all of that.
So for some people it can get very, very devastating. And what’s very, very sad is that doctors often send them to psychiatry. They say they’re depressed.
And we had a conference in Montreal with Professor [inaudible 00:16:04] from Ontario, and Dr. Roy Fox from Halifax, Nova Scotia, who treat people with environmental illnesses. And they both confirmed that it’s really not psychosomatic and if the first treatment is giving them an antidepressant, it can actually make their condition worse.
DEBRA: I would think so. Many years ago I when I first started studying EMFs, I wouldn’t call myself an expert in EMFs by any means, but it seemed to relate to being an environmental exposure such as toxic chemicals and environmental exposure that make us sick. So I have learned something about it.
I don’t consider myself to be electro-sensitive but it is real to me that people could be electrically sensitive.
The thing that was most interesting to me about is that our bodies have electromagnetic fields, as part of their natural construction – and the Earth does as well. And that the way it’s designed is that our bodies are supposed to be picking up that same vibration from the earth and that they entrain to be the same.
Our bodies are supposed to have the same vibration as the environment. But what ends up happening with all these electromagnetic devices, including just wires in our walls, is that they vibrate at a different rate. And to me, anything that interrupts the natural connection between the environment and our bodies or even our bodies and the cosmos; however the cosmos may be affecting us here on earth.
Whatever interrupts that natural connection is not good for our health. If it’s logically not good for our health then that’s the way it looks to me.
ANDRÉ FAUTEUX: Absolutely. I agree with you. Life on earth developed with the direct current from the universe and the earth, and that comes and goes in one direction. And the synthetic electricity we produce, it changes direction or polarities 60 times per second, if you take 60-hertz, domestic electricity. But then for radio waves and microwaves, they go in the kilohertz and megahertz and the gigahertz. So up to billions of times per second, it’s vibrating, changing polarities. And all the wireless devices now, they pulse this, which means that it’s on and off thousands of times, millions of times, or billions of times per second.
Now, your self are all electric; our whole body is electric, and we were not trained to be compatible with this power. So it’s over time, the chronic exposure daily, and especially all night long, you want to really shut off power in your home, and especially avoid wireless devices at night because that’s one when your body needs to recover.
For instance, you have a hormone called melatonin, which is a potent anti-cancer agent, and your brain starts producing it. There’s a gland in your brain that produces that beginning at 9:00 o’clock at night. So ideally, you should be in pitch black, pitch dark, total darkness in your bedroom starting at 9:00 o’clock at night and all night long.
So many people wear masks because if you want to fight disease and repair your DNA breaks, which are normal during the day (we all have some damage to our DNA). But the problem is people work at night. They have light in their eyes or also magnetic fields have the same impact. They stop the production of melatonin. That’s really worrisome.
I’d like to tell you if you have a minute. There’s a French oncologist in Paris that I spoke to. And he’s got a wonderful research. He’s got about 500 electro-sensitive patients and they did brain scans and blood tests. And what they found is that people with elecrosensitivities, they have problems with blood circulation in their brain. They also have higher histamine levels like an allergic reaction. And also very high stress protein.
And we also know that electromagnetic fields will open the blood brain barrier. That’s a filter that prevents pollutants from entering your brain. When you’re exposed to these fields, mercury and other pollutants can go directly in your brain and harm it.
Now, we know there are more and more brain tumors developing in the wireless era.
DEBRA: That’s so interesting about how the electromagnetics actually make toxic chemicals more toxic. We’ll talk more about that and smart meters and everything else about electrosensitivity with André Fauteux after the break. He’s the Publisher of the magazine, 21st Century Housing from Canada. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd and you’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio.
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DEBRA: You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd and I’m here today with my guest, André Fauteux. André, would you say the name of your magazine in French?
ANDRÉ FAUTEUX: La Maison du 21e siècle, which is the 21st Century Housing.
DEBRA: Thank you. I took a little French but I still can’t read it and pronounce it. I can say bonjour and I can order a little bit [inaudible 00:26:49].
ANDRÉ FAUTEUX: Luckily, I grew up in an English neighborhood.
DEBRA: Okay, so we were talking about electrosensitivities and how they can make your ears hurt. What did you say again about that it opens the blood brain barriers so that then toxic chemicals can get through more easily?
ANDRÉ FAUTEUX: Yes, exactly. Henry [inaudible 00:27:18] is a scientist from University of Washington who studied I believe with a few scientists. That’s worrisome. As I was saying, it’s a chronic exposure. Some alternative health devices can help you with specific low frequency electrical treatment but being exposed all the time, of course, those are one of the impacts. The toxins going to the brain. I would also like to mention heart problems, diabetes and different neurological disorders, including multiple sclerosis.
People who reduce their exposure to EMFs, they feel better. That’s what Dr. Fox somehow was telling us this week. I’ve been giving testimonials for 20 years now. But to that effect, there are a lot of things that we can do to reduce our exposure.
DEBRA: So I’m always telling people, and I think that’s probably the logic, those on the same track as they work with toxics, is if people start out by saying, “Well, what’s the point of me doing anything if I’m not sick? If I’m not feeling the symptoms?”
And I know at first, myself, and I know other people too, they look for the toxic chemicals that they are physically reacting to (what toxic chemical gives me a headache, for example).
ANDRÉ FAUTEUX: The two things I can answer to that, sometimes you’re not sick but you’re just on the verge of getting sick and you don’t know it. Or you have symptoms that you’re not relating to chemicals or to EMFs or both.
That’s the case for many, many people with chronic pain and chronic diseases. And the electrosensitivity, as I’ve said, every year it’s going up. In the last decade, the exposure to radiofrequency in microwaves, from wireless devices exploded. It’s millions of times higher; just the ambient exposure.
If you live in a city, you’re well above levels of exposure that have biological impacts. They’re not necessarily making you sick but they have the potential to make you sick. They’ll affect the transport of calcium; they’ll affect your big DNA. Different things are happening in your body and you don’t know. But you’re preparing cancers and other diseases.
And that’s well-documented with thousands and thousands of studies since the 1940s because the military are very aware of the effects of microwaves. They’ve been using them as non-lethal weapons for many, many years.
DEBRA: I’m sitting here scribbling more and more questions when you talk. I’m scribbling down questions to ask you. But I know that you wanted to talk about smart meters, specifically. So let’s talk about that.
ANDRÉ FAUTEUX: Well that’s it. Again, it’s maybe 5 or 10 per cent of people that we expect will get sick from them if they’re pretty close to the smart meters. These are meters, in that your consumption data to the utility, wirelessly, using microwaves.
And around the world, there’s a neurosurgeon in Australia, Vini Khurana. His website is BrainSurgery.us but he’s in Australia, and he says that most complaints are from people living or spending a lot of time 10 feet or less from a smart meter; on your bedroom, the wall outside, because it’ll go through materials. And these are pulsing microwaves; thousands of times a day. And people get the typical electrosensitivity symptoms of headaches and sleep problems and what have you.
So it’s not everyone that is reacting but already, thousands of people are. And what the utilities will tell you is, no, no. It’s not dangerous because the meter ignitions are thousands of times below those of a cordless phone or a cell phone or a cell tower.
But there are two answers to that. One is you can choose to live far away from a cell tower. You should be at least 500 meters from one. You could choose also not to use a cordless or cell phone because you are sensitive or you don’t want to become sensitive. And the other thing is that if you take utilities, they just talk about your average, daily dose with a smart meter. That’s not what’s harming people. It’s the thousands of pulses which just last a fraction of a second, which your body is not adapting too. Those thousands are often, at least once or twice per minute, you get these peak power ignitions. They are making people sick.
So more and more people are realizing this. They just don’t want one of those meters and utilities and governments are imposing them. Sometimes people obtain the right to opt out, but you have to pay. Here in Quebec, they are asking people that they pay $17 per month to opt out and have a non-emitting meter.
That means they’re taxing you to be healthy; to protect your health. To protect your life, you are going to pay 17-bucks a month for the rest of your life to be healthy.
So I’m pretty confident that it’s going to go to Court or a Human Rights Tribunal beucase those are really unfair taxes.
DEBRA: It is unfair taxes. But also, we should have the average world be toxic or dangerous, and then how to pay extra money to not have that. There should be an ethic which says, “What we do in our world support life.” Rather than having an ethic that goes, “It doesn’t matter what we do to support life as long as we’re making money,” which I think is probably the way businesses think right now.
And I’m not saying 100% of the instances. And certainly, there are businesses that are paying more attention. It’s just like this rampant disregard of life is the norm, is just amazing to me.
ANDRÉ FAUTEUX: Yes. I agree with you. I don’t want to sound cynical but the reality of our world is business before prevention. Governments, civil servants, our elected officials, the industry, they know that chemical pollutants and electromagnetic pollution and chronic exposure are making people sick, and that we could save billions of dollars in health cost if we did prevention. But because they don’t have the smoking gun to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, they don’t want to apply what’s called precautionary principle, which says that if you have reasonable doubt, if most experts say it’s probably dangerous, then we should reduce our exposure.
Like we did in Quebec, we banned our herbicide.
DEBRA: Good for you.
ANDRÉ FAUTEUX: We have a law that went to Supreme Court and won. And others have followed too. Even though after that, the government had to compensate I think [inaudible 00:34:24] and that’s okay. The politician said, “Okay, we’re willing to compensate for your loss of business but we’re going to protect public health, and especially children’s health.”
DEBRA: Yay! That’s what I like to hear. All right, we’re going to talk more after the break with André Fauteux from Quebec. He’s the Editor and Publisher of 21st Century Housing Magazine. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd and you’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio where we talk about how to thrive in a toxic world.
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DEBRA: You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd and my guest today is André Fauteux, Editor and Publisher of 21st Century Housing.
André, I was going to give your URL. It’s a Canadian website and so it’s in French, of course. MaisonSaine, is that right?
ANDRÉ FAUTEUX: Yes. We have English articles for your listeners on it.
DEBRA: Yes, there are some of those articles. I found them. But I am encouraging André to have more English articles. And I suggested to him that he put one of those little translators on his website so that we can read more of the articles.
I’m going to spell it for our English-speaking listeners. It’s M-A-I-S-O-N S-A-I-N-E.ca.
And the easiest way to get there is to go to my website, ToxicFreeTalkRadio.com, and you’ll see it there. You can just click right through on the link.
So here’s my burning question, and we’ll actually get to this one. So I’m mostly concerned. I think if there is one thing that has stood out for me in everything that you said today, is really, the fact that exposure to electromagnetic fields can make toxic chemicals more toxic because it makes your body more able to absorb the toxic chemicals. And so even if somebody had no concern about EMG at all, but is concerned about toxic chemicals, that would be a reason to protect one’s self; take the steps to protect one’s self from EMFs.
And I know that I pay attention to EMFs. I had a bell inspection where I actually have a whole team of bell biologists-in-training and take measurements of all kinds of things. And they located the strongest EMFs switch in my house where the cordless phone was, which immediately went in the trash.
And I also had a…
ANDRÉ FAUTEUX: I did that too.
DEBRA: …battery back-up that was sitting under my desk. And I’m literally sitting on top of the battery back-up. And that was the next thing that went in the trash.
Otherwise, my levels of EMFs in the house were pretty good. And even though I have the 27-inch screen on my computer, by the time I am sitting two feet away from it, the EMFs are practically nothing.
So I got rid of the biggest things and I also have a little thing, a Pong case for my cell phone, but I don’t don’t put it up against my head anymore. I only use the speaker phone. And I know some people have gotten rid of their landlines entirely. I still have my landline, I still use it. And I only use my cell phone when I absolutely need to use my cell phone. I just carry for emergencies or if people need to reach me.
So I’m not on a cellphone all day long since I saw that photo which shows how far the radiation reaches into your brain, [inaudible 00:42:10] your whole head.
So I don’t even put my cell phone near my head, but what I feel like I’m powerless to do anything about is the ambient level of all these wireless, WiFi, everything. Even in my own house, the WiFi from neighboring houses are in my house. And all those towers, you name it, we’re just being zapped every minute of every day. And I don’t know what to do about that.
ANDRÉ FAUTEUX: Well, there are a lot of things we can do. I did a one-hour interview with Professor [inaudible 00:42:54] who is a [inaudible 00:42:57] toxicologist specializing in EMFs for 13 years now. She’s got 10 papers she actually published with her own money. It’s very hard to get funding for these scientists. And she found the cordless deck phones relate to heart problems and also the blood sugar levels. I was mentioning all of that. She is also working with multiple sclerosis people.
So you can look on my website for this long article with 12 ways of reducing exposure. And indeed, some people have no choice but to move because their neighbors’ WiFi, what have you, are going through the walls. Some of them will put aluminum to block the waves.
That’s true. That’s the old bounce back, but the old bounce back can concentrate. You’ll shoot it back in your neighbor’s face. Or if you have aluminum in your house and you’re using a wireless device, then it’s going to bounce back all over and concentrated in the room. So you have to be conscious of that.
One of the building biologists I speak to, who is an expert Sal LaDuca – he recommends using concrete cement products. Those are better at shielding and they won’t reflect the microwave.
Well, that’s one way of doing it.
The first thing you want to do is keep a distance. The AM and FM radio antennas, they could be a couple of kilometers away, a couple of miles away. The most sensitive people can be affected. Even a kilometer, just under a mile, some people feel the cell phone antenna. And power lines usually, you want to keep at least 500 meters away. I’m talking metric here, in Canada. But I think you get the proportion.
In your house, usually three feet away, most appliances are okay, but not the wireless. The wireless, they could be 500 or a thousand feet. Your cordless phone goes that far distant than the smart meters. It will be tens or hundreds or thousands of kilometers. They’re all going to talk to each other through a mesh grid, and the utilities put routers also on buildings and telephone poles.
So the higher density population, unfortunately, are getting more and more exposure. So more and more people are having to move to low density rural areas. And that goes against the grain of fighting climate change. You want to densify cities to have less car travel and burn less gas. It’s getting very hard if you want to densify urban development but on the other hand, you’ve got antennas on buildings making people sick.
DEBRA: Sometimes I feel we should just build ourselves a planet and start over and re-design intelligently. And I would like to see somebody build an area, a dense area, out of healthy materials with no EMFs and organic gardens all around. And everybody can walk everywhere.
Exactly half of all of this technology, but then you say, “Well, go find a spot on earth where all these things come together.” And it doesn’t exist. [cross-talking]
ANDRÉ FAUTEUX: They’re starting to build, I forgot where it is. In Virginia, I think, you have the most powerful, actually, the cleanest place in the US for EMFs because there’s an astronomy center, National Astronomy Center, I think in West Virginia. And people are building there because there is no radiofrequency, microwave interference there. Or else, they couldn’t monitor the outer space from that center.
DEBRA: That’s interesting. I didn’t know that.
ANDRÉ FAUTEUX: I forgot what it’s called. But in Europe, they’re building these White Zones, they call them, where there are no EMFs. And it’s true. You mentioned that to detoxify, some scientists have found that if you’re constantly exposed to EMFs, for instance, with autistic children, they found that they could help detoxify, get rid of their heavy metals, first by removing them from electromagnetic radiation.
So that’s the hope is that you want to reduce. Some people need to really [inaudible 00:47:38] settings. But most people, the first you just want to do is to reduce or break down to zero at least overnight when you’re sleeping. Protect yourself from any exposure. And of course, you need to have clean air, clean water, clean food to help you detox.
And there are several different techniques. Also what you want to do is to calm your brain, your nervous system, after getting poisoned with pesticides or lightning bolts or very high emission from power lines and antennas. Your nervous system, if you become electro-sensitive, it’s constantly in a fight or flight reaction.
Just that in itself is really obnoxious. And if you’re also someone who is working too hard, who is not sleeping enough, who is too emotional, you’re really not helping yourself.
So you can’t just blame the outside and blame others for the pollution. You have to do both things. You have to reduce your exposure but you also have to strengthen your immune system and also your nervous system, be it with meditation, Heart Math. Have you talked about the Heart Math Institute? It’s a kind of biofeedback that you do. You have it on your computer and you see how your heart rhythm, you get it coordinated with your breathing. And that really helps your brain waves to calm down.
And that’s part of curing one’s self from electrosensitivity according to Dr. Fox in Halifax. You really need to stop being in that fight or flight constant brain stress.
DEBRA: Well, this has been so interesting. Unfortunately, our time is up. And again, we’ve been talking with André Fauteux, Editor and Publisher at 21st Century Housing. Go to ToxicFreeTalkRadio.com and next to his description of this show, you can go to his website where he has some articles in French and English. And that’s it for today for Toxic Free Talk Radio. Come back tomorrow to hear more about how you can thrive in a toxic world.
