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Suzanne McConnell James McConnellMy guests Suzanne and James McConnell are the Co-Founders of Off the Matrix, a clothing design and manufacturing company specializing in EMF-sheilding Apparel and Canopy Shields. Through their meditation practices they came to understand the need for EMF shielding. EMF fields are very distracting energy forces, both for the spiritual self and the physical body. The EMF clothing and canopy shield products fill the need for those who are rightly concerned about the abundant amounts of EMF radiation we are exposed to on a daily basis. “The EMF Canopy Shield gives our bodies a much needed eight hour break from this toxic EMF world and allows our bombarded bodies time to heal.” James and Suzanne currently live and work in Preston, Connecticut.

On the show today we mentioned a website where there is a lot of information on EMFs and toxic chemicals. It’s

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Protect Your Health From EMF’s with Clothing That Shields Your Body

Host: Debra Lynn Dadd
Guest: Suzanne & James McConnell

Date of Broadcast: April 30, 2014

DEBRA: Hi, I’m Debra Lynn Dadd. You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio where we talk about how to thrive in a toxic world, and live toxic-free.

Today, we’re going to be talking about something I’ve never seen before actually, and that’s one of the reasons why I’m having it on because it’s something that we actually need in our world. And it’s a solution to a toxic exposure, definitely toxic exposure.

We’re going to be talking about EMF’s and clothing that can shield these electromagnetic fields, also, things that you can put in your home, like a canopy over your bed, a cover on your mattress, even a wall-hanging that also shields EMF’s.

We really have EMF’s all around us. We’ve talked about EMF’s on Monday too when we were talking about cell phones. I know in my house, I don’t have Wi-Fi. I don’t have a cordless phone. I use my cell phone as little as possible

But when I turn on my computer, this little thing comes up and asks me if I want to accept the Wi-Fi. Some neighbor has Wi-Fi, and it still gets into my house.

I don’t think that there’s a place on earth that you can go today where you’re not going to be exposed to electromagnetic fields. And electromagnetic fields cause a lot of harm to your body. We’re going to talk a little bit about that today. And they also can make your exposure to toxic chemicals worse.

It makes your body less able to tolerate toxic chemicals. We’re going to talk about that too.

So I want to introduce my guests. I have two guests today—Suzanne and James McConnell. They’re the co-founders of Off the Matrix, a clothing design and manufacturing company specializing in EMF-shielding apparel and canopy shields.

Now, this is so new and so unusual that they actually make all of their products by hand because they’re not even in manufacturing yet.

Anything we talk about today, you can go to their website,, and you can place an order, and they will make it for you. They’re planning on manufacturing these items, but they’re still looking for the right manufacturer to do so.

So this is something that is new, unique, and necessary. And I’ll bet you anything, 10 years from now, it’s going to be widespread, or even sooner.

This is just going to be something that the time has come for.

So hi, Suzanne and James.



JAMES MCCONNELL: Well, thanks for having us on your cutting-edge program.

DEBRA: Thank you. Thank you for being cutting edge.

JAMES MCCONNELL: We’re still homeschooling our child. I want you to know that this would be a mandatory course.

DEBRA: Good. Thank you.

So first of all, tell us how did you become interested, and each of you can tell your own story if you want or you can interrupt each other. I know a couple sometimes just gives one story, however you want. But tell us how you got to be interested in this subject and why you thought it was so important to create these products.

JAMES MCCONNELL: Well, as I say, necessity is the mother of all invention, but I have a unique theory on that. It’s inventions and discoveries are open. And the people that are paying attention or are in need are the ones that are getting the opportunity to discover that […]

So it seems when a new idea comes to the market, 20 other people have the same exact idea. And my way of thinking is just that it’s something that’s opening. It’s ready to come out. And those who are paying attention get the opportunity to play with it.

So I don’t take any credit for having done this. When we first started, I hadn’t seen anything like it. But now, just prior to coming on the show, I did another search, and it’s starting to explode already.

So, there are people that are manufacturing hats and gloves and different things and a band that goes around pregnant women’s stomachs to protect their […] But I like our product because we started with the idea of the coat because it offers so much protection to the entire body.

And then also, if you want a lining in the coat, you can get the full lining, but you can also use it as a means to keep your privacy because the pockets are shielded on the inside and out on one side of the coat. Then the other coat is just shielded on the inside of the lining, so it’s exposed to the other signals.

So […], “Oh, I’m going to put it in the left-hand pocket.” And if you want your cellphone incognito, you pop it into the right pocket. It works amazingly well.

I know there are other products on the market like plastic shields and stuff. They’re definitely serving another function and purpose. People want to use those as well. But the coat is another form of protection.

I think now, they have the technology to be able to scan how much cash you have in your pocket. They can tell what your credit card numbers are and they can see what your passport strip—it’s in all the passports now. It has huge amounts of information about yourself.

So, it affords you a higher level of privacy. But then you can get the full lining in your coat, which is optional, that gives you the protection from the EMF signals which, as you know, are just—

A lot of independent studies have been done on it that absolutely can prove, without a doubt, that it’s causing much damage to our systems.

DEBRA: In preparation for this show, I actually did a little search because I had remembered hearing before—we’ll wait until after the break to talk about this because I want to make sure that I get your stories.

Suzanne, do you want to say anything, about how you became interested in this subject?

SUZANNE MCCONNELL: Well, mostly for myself, my need for such an item would have more to do with my meditation practices because I am very, very sensitive, spiritually-speaking. And so during meditation, I find that the covering or the shielding is pretty useful.

JAMES MCCONNELL: […] canopies.

SUZANNE MCCONNELL: It’s blocking out so many things, even thoughts. You get so many thoughts when you try to meditate that just seem to come out of nowhere. It helps. So for me, […]

I’m interested in what you said earlier about how the EMF signals can make you more susceptible to your own chemical sensitivities. I am chemically sensitive on latex toxic. We’ve had a lot of health problems that came about because of that.

So it will be interesting to see if that doesn’t help. But […] regularly don’t help that chemical sensitivity.

DEBRA: Well, I think it might be because I do so that there’s a lot of correspondence between people being chemically sensitive and electrically sensitive.

I, personally, am not electrically sensitive. I’m very happy that I’m not.

Actually, one of the things is I was reading something completely unrelated the other day about sugar actually, and that there have been studies that show that healthy people can just assimilate sugar in their bodies if they’re healthy.

And the people who have difficulty with sugar metabolism are people who are otherwise, their bodies are not functioning in some way.

And I’ve been saying this for years. I’ve been saying to people. They say, “Why don’t you do this or that because it’s supposed to make things better?”

And what happens is that I do it, and then it’s like my body is operating backwards from the chemical exposures that I’ve had in the past. And it doesn’t. Whatever that healing thing is doesn’t work because my body isn’t functioning correctly, that there is damage to it.

And I think that a lot of people have chemical damage to their bodies, or electromagnetic damage to their body. And then whatever it is that the treatment is just doesn’t work because that’s not what needs to be done.

And so I think that to eliminate the EMF’s, I think James, you were talking about—I think you wrote something—just to give yourself a relief for eight hours.

Oh, I have it. I put it in right in the description. I said, “The EMF canopy shield gives our bodies a much needed eight-hour break from this toxic EMF world and allows our bombarded bodies time to heal.”

Unless we have something like that, we never get a break. We just never get a break.

JAMES MCCONNELL: I’d like to say, the canopy shield is ideal because it gives you complete 360° protection. There are so many products out there, the wall hangings, the different items—you want me to wait until we come back from the break?

DEBRA: When we come back from the break, we’ll hear about your items. But the first thing I want to talk about when we come back from break is what I learned about the connection between EMF’s and toxic chemicals.

You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd, and my guests today are Suzanne and James McConnell, from Off the Matrix. We’re talking about EMF’s and what to do to protect your body.


DEBRA: You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd, and my guests today are Suzanne and James McConnell from Off the Matrix, and they make shielding canopies and clothing. We’re going to talk about this in a minute because you can go to their website, and I’m looking at the canopy shield.

It looks like mosquito netting. It just looks like mosquito netting. And so it completely encases your bed.

But before we talk about that, I want to tell you some things that I found here. So what I’ve looked at was I’ve looked up EMF’s and toxic chemicals, and there was very little. I could find very little, but there’s one page that is just amazing. It’s got lots of links to lots of articles.

The URL is too long for me to give to you, but I’ll put it on the website, along with the description of this show. I’ll include the URL, so you can all take a look at it.

It’s extremely difficult to read. It’s a great, big poster, and you have to keep scrolling around to see a little piece and a little piece. It’s not really laid out to be a page.

I’m just going to read you part of it. It says, “What happens when you’re exposed to EMF’s is (these are some of the things) detoxification methods may be overwhelmed.”

And so, what happens if the detoxification mechanisms are overwhelmed by EMF’s, then what are they going to do when the toxic chemicals come along?

It’s too much. The toxic chemicals alone are too much for your body. The immune systems become overwhelmed. Membranes are disrupted by EMF’s which allow toxic chemicals to penetrate tissues more easily.

Some toxic molecules become charged stickier, more difficult to remove. The body is forced to ration nutrients, and toxic-heavy metals may be released because of EMF’s. Repair from toxic chemical injury is slowed by having the EMF’s because your body is dealing with the EMF’s.

It just goes on and on, and it’s probably got about 50 links to articles on this subject.

It’s an excellent page. I just started exploring it, but damage to the blood-brain barrier by EMF’s allows toxins into the brain.

When I first started studying toxins, one of the things that I noticed was that for things like asbestos, for example, asbestos is more toxic if you also smoke. And that there are all these combinations of things where it’s bad enough by itself, and then you put them together, and it makes it worse.

And it’s very apparent to me that EMF’s and toxic chemicals together make both of them worse.

So let’s talk about your canopy shield.

JAMES MCCONNELL: I was mentioning that the canopy shield offers you that 360° environment except when you take your cell phone into the canopy shield area. All of the Wi-Fi signals drop off to zero. So everybody can test it without getting the expensive equipment to actually read RF signals.

But there are other products on the market like the hanging wall thing that you can put on the backside of where your SMART meter is, or there are big curtains that you can put a wiring in the back of the curtains and curtain an entire wall.

Now, recently, there’s a company called Wise Shield that is making a paint. They use a cheaper graphite metal that they put into the paint. And if you paint the walls, it knocks down all the RF signals coming into your house, which I think would be, of course, the better solution.

There are window pane linings now that you could put on your windows that are transparent, so you can try to enclose the entire environment.

The reason why I’m bringing that up is because I’m so excited. But since we scheduled being on your program, I came up with something else in investigating this paint. They sell you one kind of paint, and it’s five gallons, and it’s ready-made, and then you have to pay the shipping cost. It’s $400 just for five-gallons of paint, and then $75 for probably the shipping that goes along with it.

DEBRA: $400 for five-gallons?

JAMES MCCONNELL: It’s insane! So I started contemplating and meditating on this. And I came up with an incredible solution. I said, “Why can’t we just take the silver powder then mix it in with your paint?”
Then you have the benefit of the primer, and you can put it in the primer, and then you get a double coating which, of course, increases the shielding. And then you can put it in any color pain that you want and the quality of paint that you want.

So we’re working on that right now, and we haven’t yet tested it. It’s up on the internet. I just put it up there last night. But people need to understand that if you go and order today, we have to complete the testing before we actually send it out to you. We wouldn’t want to sell you anything that doesn’t work. I’m so confident that it’s going to work.

So now, you just get one-ounce powder container, and you can drop it into the primer, and the finish coat paint, then you get essentially the same protection for a fraction of the money. And I really believe that’s one of the best solutions.

Even with that paint, you’re going to have cracks and crevices in your wall that would allow some signals to come in, and that canopy bed still provides ultimate optimal protection. So I still would recommend that as well.

DEBRA: What is special about the fabric that you’re using that makes it repel the frequencies?

JAMES MCCONNELL: Well, the industry is racing to come up with the solutions for people because the demand is, of course, increasing. What we do is we order big bulks of the fabric, so it’s much cheaper, then we can pass the savings along to everybody else.

The typical price of some similar products we’ve seen are $24.95 for a square-foot which is outrageous. The jumping in the market to try to make a killing, that’s not why we’re in business. We’re in business to help people. So we’re trying to keep the cost down as much as possible.

We’ve researched different fabrics. There’s a copper fabric. There’s nickel. You probably know more than I do about the nickel being an agitator in the skin and stuff. In proximity to your skin, you’re going to get a rash. A lot of people do. So I don’t think that’s the best solution.

The copper has its positives and negatives as well. But the silver is the way to go for the canopy shield for anything that you’re going to come in contact with.

So the back of a wall-hanging, you could use the copper nickel fabric, which is much cheaper. But for something like the canopy or the clothing, you should go with the silver and cotton fabric. And the silver offers antibacterial properties as well.

DEBRA: We’ll talk more about this when we come back from the break. You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd, and my guests today are Suzanne and James McConnell from Off the Matrix. And we’re talking about how to shield your body from EMF’s.
We’ll be right back.


DEBRA: You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd, and my guests today are Suzanne and James McConnell from Off the Matrix where they make clothing and shielding canopies to shield EMF’s, so that you’re not exposed to them.

Do you have to be careful with this fabric? Does the shielding quality disappear if you wash it?

JAMES MCCONNELL: As with any fabric, with some degradation. That’s why we favor the silver because if there’s some sort of particle fallout, of course, […] You don’t want something toxic showering down on you.

With all clothing, when you put something in the drier or the washer, there’s a length when it comes off of everything. It’s the degradation of the fabric, which is causing the [inaudible 00:19:05].

In a similar fashion, it’s going to degrade over time like anything else. But we haven’t done any studies on that right now to find out what the life of the product is. We’re heading in that direction, but we haven’t done any of those studies yet.

But the silver is probably the least toxic, and perhaps you could even say it’s beneficial to you. Even if something fell down on you because of the coil of silver that people […] and what-not, I think it’s probably a pretty safe product.

DEBRA: So is this like threads of silver? I haven’t seen the fabric. For the canopy, for example, are these threads or particles?

JAMES MCCONNELL: You mentioned that one looked like a mosquito netting. And that particular fabric is silver and polyester. The cotton doesn’t come in the mesh fabric, but it comes in something more opaque, so you can still see through it.

We would recommend the cotton material.

SUZANNE MCCONNELL: It’s more like the muslin, the light-weight muslin material. It looks more like that. So it’s a little bit heavier than a net. But it’s very comfortable […] like a bag.

DEBRA: So air still moves through it, but you can’t see through it so well?

SUZANNE MCCONNELL: The air will move through the cotton and silver better than it will move through the polyester netting.

DEBRA: I wonder why that is.

SUZANNE MCCONNELL: I don’t know if you’ve ever been under a polyester mosquito net. But the air, it looks like there’s movement, but it doesn’t move, the air doesn’t move well.

DEBRA: That’s very interesting because I have had mosquito netting in the past. I had cotton, and the air moved very well.

SUZANNE MCCONNELL: Yes. I would love to find a cotton netting that has silver. But so far, it’s only available in a heavier fabric.

JAMES MCCONNELL: The trick is we constantly beat the bushes and try to find the best solution and the best prices.

SUZANNE MCCONNELL: If we can get that manufactured, we’ll be doing that. So we are looking to try to manufacture that material actually and the netting that has […]

JAMES MCCONNELL: And I contacted some manufacturers to try to do stuff according to my specifications. We’ll see how that goes.

But we’re a young business. We don’t have a lot of help with any capital. So we can’t afford the big purchases upfront right now. But hopefully, we’ll get to the size where we’re able to do our own research, and do our own development on different products as well.

DEBRA: So here’s a question I thought of a couple of days ago. We were talking about cell phones on Monday, and I was wondering, can you make something that would be a pocket for a cell phone? I have a shield. I have a Pong shield on my cell phone. Could you make something that would shield the cell phones as much as your canopy shields?

SUZANNE MCCONNELL: You mean just to put around your cell phone itself?


SUZANNE MCCONNELL: We have that in the coats. We have the pocket that’s completely enclosed. And then we have the pocket that’s open on the outside.

But obviously, it would be very simple to make a pouch that you could just drop it in and then drop that in your purse or the pouch in your pocket.

That’s obviously very simple—and actually cheap, because that’s not something that is going to be against your skin, so you could use the nickel copper.

JAMES MCCONNELL: it’s just like a […] bag or something or even something with a zipper.

DEBRA: With a little zipper or a little fold-over with a little snap or whatever. I don’t know what’s the easiest to get to when your cell phone rings.

But I’m just thinking about people putting them in their pockets, or in my purse. I put it in my purse.

JAMES MCCONNELL: We’re going to do that. We’ll have to give you royalties for the idea.

DEBRA: Yes, I want those royalties. I was just thinking about all these different ways that you might be able to use this because people are needing to shield themselves—coming from a toxics background, the rule is always to eliminate the poison from the source.

JAMES MCCONNELL: But given the choice between having to open the bag, grab your cell phone, and then stick it back in the bag, and put it back in your pockets, wouldn’t it be nice just to be able to pull it directly out of your pocket?


JAMES MCCONNELL: It’s basically the same thing done.

DEBRA: Oh, no, no. Here’s what I was actually thinking. It was not just a little bag. What I was thinking was something like a little fanny pack or something that you could strap around your waist, and then just pull it out.

SUZANNE MCCONNELL: We’ve designed a fanny pack that has shielding, and it will have an outer pocket that’s actually open to the frequency, so that your cell phone can ring, but you can have other things get in the fanny pack or you can dump the cell phone into your fanny pack if you want it to be hidden.

JAMES MCCONNELL: So it’s like two compartments.

SUZANNE MCCONNELL: It’s like a fanny pack with a little outer compartment, so you can put your phone inside or outside.

JAMES MCCONNELL: And sometimes you want to […]

SUZANNE MCCONNELL: […] The hope is that in the future, the clothes, the large clothing makers will just put those kinds of pockets available in your pants, so that everybody who wears a pair of jeans is protecting their important bits at least.

And it has that availability of a fully-shielded pocket or just a pocket that’s open to the outside that your body is shielded.

JAMES MCCONNELL: Does she need to elaborate on what the important bits are?

DEBRA: No. I think we all know what the important bits are.

SUZANNE MCCONNELL: We’d love to see the large clothing manufacturers start to incorporate that into—that’s the design that’s written up on the website. This was designed. And the patent’s pending. We’re working on that.

JAMES MCCONNELL: And even a tote bag or something, there are so many variations of this.

DEBRA: Purses. I was just thinking that you could line the pocket. I have a pocket on the front of my purse where I slip my cell phone in, and if that were just lined, that would protect it too.

JAMES MCCONNELL: There are a couple of solutions. You can order eventually—we don’t offer it right now, but you’re going to be able to order the fabric because we want to work with local drapery and curtain manufacturers or companies, small mom and pop places that can go in your house and actually consult, and find out what kind of draping you want. You’re not limited to the mosquito net-looking one. You can have a full wood canopy bed with this covering all over it, which would look really beautiful.

DEBRA: That would look beautiful.

JAMES MCCONNELL: And we work with local contractors. We only work with people that have good […] ratings or Better Business Bureau ratings. And then we’ll send in the fabric and consult with them on how best to do it.

So we’re really looking to partner with a lot of people. We’re dying to find people with sewing machines […]


JAMES MCCONNELL: I think we can do this mass production and we’re looking into that as well overseas, maybe China or […] I tried to get a local company and he said, “Yes, yes.” You can now say it’s by America. […]

DEBRA: We need to go to break. You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd, and my guests today are Suzanne and James McConnell from Off the Matrix.

We’ll be right back.


DEBRA: You’re listening to Toxic Free Talk Radio. I’m Debra Lynn Dadd, and I’m here with James and Suzanne McConnell from Off the Matrix.

I can usually remember people’s first names and their last names.

Before we go on, I just want to tell everybody, you probably hear that commercial that just played for water filters every day on my show. Well, this week through Friday, there’s a discount going on, on those filters, both on the under sink filters, the countertop filters, and on the whole house filters.

So if you’ve been thinking, you might want to get that filter, just go to, type into the search box, and the search box is at the top. It looks like a little magnifying glass icon. So click on that magnifying glass icon, and then type in “discount water filter.” And the page will come up, a link to the page, will come up, where it has all the details on the discount and about the water filter too.

It’s a really fabulous water filter which I have in my own home. So if you’re thinking about water, this is a thing to think about.

So Suzanne and James, during the break, you got a question, and it was e-mailed to me, so I’ll ask you the question.

Can you put colloidal silver on fabric? Will that make it block EMF’s? Also, would mylar protect you from EMF’s?

SUZANNE MCCONNELL: I’m not sure how you put colloidal silver. You mean, like washing with it?

DEBRA: I don’t know. That’s all he said, but I would assume washing it.

SUZANNE MCCONNELL: I don’t think it would impregnate the fabric well enough, but that would be just my assumption.

DEBRA: What do you think, James?

SUZANNE MCCONNELL: The silver is actually woven into the fabric.

DEBRA: Yes, so it’s silver threads, right?

SUZANNE MCCONNELL: It’s actually cotton-wrapped silver fibers. It’s what the fabric is. I don’t think that colloidal silver is going to impregnate the cloth just by putting it in there, and then taking it out and drying it.

JAMES MCCONNELL: Well, there will be a little bit. The question is would it be enough?

SUZANNE MCCONNELL: It wouldn’t last very long.

DEBRA: Well, it wouldn’t last for a washing. What about mylar?



JAMES MCCONNELL: I think the environment, what it would be contained would get a little […]

DEBRA: I think so too because, yes, you wouldn’t want to wrap your bed in a mylar blanket. If you’re going to have something like a canopy, then you’d want to be able to breathe. But a mylar blanket, if it does block—oh, this is just making me think of something.

JAMES MCCONNELL: The real easy way to tell is just go out to your local store and get a mylar blanket and wrap your cell phone in it and give it a call. If it rings, you’re in trouble.

DEBRA: That’s good. That’s a good way to do it.

What I was about to say is that I know that foil, aluminum foil will block toxic chemical out-gassing. The gasses from toxic chemicals can’t go through aluminum foil.

JAMES MCCONNELL: Tin foil hat people.

DEBRA: So, I don’t know if EMF’s go through foil. That’s something I should take a look at.

JAMES MCCONNELL: Again, the easy experiment.

SUZANNE MCCONNELL: Check your cell phone […]

And actually, I think there are different qualities of tin foil. I’m not sure how our tin foils actually can foil anymore. Have you noticed that sometimes you put tin foil, supposedly tin foil, on a food product in your oven and it doesn’t really get hot? I’m not sure it’s actually made out of foil anymore.

DEBRA: I don’t know because I rarely use it. I only use it for very few things.

SUZANNE MCCONNELL: Yes, me too. I don’t use it because of that particular property I noticed long ago that it didn’t get hot anymore. And I thought, “Well, if it’s really metal, it should be getting hot.”

DEBRA: Yes, it should. It’s supposed to be aluminum. But I will look into that. I will look into that.

I just want to reiterate that the conclusion here is that that these special fabrics have threads of these metals. They’re wrapped in cotton. And so people shouldn’t be attempting to just take silver something, and impregnate their fabrics and expect it to work.

SUZANNE MCCONNELL: Yes. You can’t get it to work that way.

DEBRA: So what else do you want to tell us about your clothing or any of your products?

JAMES MCCONNELL: We have a whole list of things […]

SUZANNE MCCONNELL: Just look at the list.

JAMES MCCONNELL: I’m so thrilled about this silver powder thing, this shield. I think this is going to be so great a solution. There are so many applications.

SUZANNE MCCONNELL: But like you said, we need to test it.

JAMES MCCONNELL: But we need to test that. We’re going to test that as quickly as possible. So if anybody were to order it, we would not send it to them until we’ve tested it. We’re probably going to complete that within the week.

And again, just do that simple testing, putting your cellphone in a […] Styrofoam box or something and see if it rings. And if it rings, you’re in trouble.

We want to notify everybody and return everybody’s money. But I’m almost certain it’s going to work. We’re just really excited to try that out.

And then we have the wall-hanging things which you have a SMART meter in the back of your house. It takes […] to get that thing off. So a simple, quick, inexpensive solution if you’re not going to go the trouble of painting and putting up a big curtain that covers your entire wall is just to put a wall-hanging up there.

Of course, the bigger the wall-hanging will be the spot where the SMART meter is, the better protection you’ll have.

DEBRA: Let me ask you a question about that. How far out from the source of EMF’s do you have to protect yourself?

JAMES MCCONNELL: So I’ve been looking into that. I don’t know if the EMF signals are in line of sight, or if they’re like AM signals, they kind of wrap themselves around something. The AM signals can go over mountains and stuff. The FM signals cannot.

So I don’t know what frequency range the EMF’s operates in as well as I probably should. But we’re finding out new things every day. That’s something we’re researching now.

I tend to believe that if you had something that was five-by-four hanging on your wall like a SMART meter, it’s going to protect your entire room environment pretty well because the studies that I have seen, the EMF goes out […] around the SMART meter. Diameter, it’s about three or four feet around the SMART meter.

So having seen that, it tells me that that would be enough, but it’s not ideal. But knocking down as much as you possibly can, it’s going to be a constant battle throughout the rest of our lives, unfortunately, to try to get these things out of our environment.

It’s something I want to touch on without sounding like a conspiracy, is that all these things are coming into our existence with little or no testing. I mean, the correct term is it’s epidemic right now. And whether they’re doing it intentionally or whether it’s just greed driving the industry and getting these products to market without testing them properly.

I do tend to be one of the people that believes that they’re actually dumbing us down intentionally and calling the population in preparation for the robotics phase of our existence where they don’t need laborers anymore.

The best example is I’m trying to buy American products, and they tell me that robots are doing all the sewing. What’s the difference between the Chinese robots and the American robots? I don’t really care about robots.

But they don’t need us anymore. So they’re wanting to kill us off. There are too many chickens in the roost.

DEBRA: If there are no humans, if there are no people, then they can have robots making all of the products that they want, but who’s going to buy them, the robots?

There’s a lot that I appreciate about technology, and technology to me is a very broad word, which some years ago, I actually read an encyclopedia of technology, which started out by talking about the technology of birds in nature, what technology they use.

So technology is a big word.

But our modern industrial technology, and the ideas that go with it, is extremely destructive because it’s only just designed to take nature and turn it into products, and then make garbage. That’s what it is.

There’s a whole other way to think about life which starts out by saying, “We need to sustain the planet. We need to be looking at our health and how do we act from that?”

And people could make products and sell them all day long, and if they thought about that, we’d have a lot better world.

I’m not against people making products and selling them. it’s just the way that we do it. And we do need to be putting life first. We need to say, “How are we going to sustain this planet? How are we going to be healthy?”

And manufacturers need to be asking those questions, and have their products reflect that.

JAMES MCCONNELL: The white papers are out there […] talks about these vaccines and how we wants to reduce the world population. I’m not saying it’s correct, and I agree with you. What are you doing? You’re destroying the very people that you might be able to sell cell phone to in the future. But they have a different mindset.

DEBRA: Exactly.

JAMES MCCONNELL: And I do believe that the EMF signals, everybody talks about the physical harm it’s causing, but I think it causes more spiritual harm because it affects the faculty of the brain where spirituality exists. And I think taking away the very thing that we can defend ourselves against what […] in this evil empire.

So again, I don’t want to go off on crazy, conspiracy theory. I don’t think it is conspiracy theory, but it’s a huge subject and it’s one that […] conspiracy. But I believe it’s intentional, and I think it’s a battle between us trying to protect ourselves against the things that we’re using against us.

DEBRA: I have to interrupt you because we’re going to end in about five seconds. So thank you very much for being with me. And go to, and take a look at these products.-

I’m Debra Lynn Dadd, and this is Toxic Free Talk Radio. Be well.


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